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Theo. \u2013 What matters most, according to you, to be a good meditator?<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Zeal, enthusiasm!<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 Is it why you\u2019d rather call a meditator an aspirant, instead of a practiser?<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Practice, thanks to cleaning<\/a> and transmission<\/a>, is extremely effective, but the goal remains to conquer.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 As regards oneself, particularly. Furthermore, I have noticed that the meditators that inspire me most are also successful in their lives, at both professional and family levels. They launch on their quest not for the lack of something but\u2026<\/span><\/span> The Elder (interrupting<\/em>): \u2013 Every soul will aspire to the same, to returning to God. Don\u2019t prejudge through external criteria. You wanted a significant criterion? Here is one: compassion. For some people, the destiny their souls have chosen is not an easy one. Most often, it is only because they want to reach the goal rapidly. <\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 But the route they choose may be an extremely difficult one, too, let alone insuperable\u2026<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 A Master of Wisdom<\/a> will know that and his aspirants will be provided all the help required. Sometimes, liberation and realization happen suddenly, they come unexpected, and they may even come many years later, and even after many lifetimes spent toiling, which earns our deepest respect.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 I guess it does! You are right.<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Love cares little for our criteria. It cares more for open hearts and that is what we are working on. No yogic technique will ever be able to achieve that. Love responds to Love.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 But we can still help, can\u2019t we?<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 By cleaning samskaras<\/em>, we weaken the load our brothers and sisters have to bear and we give them access to a greater consciousness and clear-sightedness. For example, cleaning Point 1 will free the aspirants of their compulsive desires and kindle a true feeling of love in them.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 Sure, but a systematic fun-seeking attitude will often hide something else, a feeling of dissatisfaction for instance.<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Actually, it shows the person feels there is a void to be filled, a bottomless pit that brings about only few sustainable satisfactions and an ensured imbalance. Many persons live their lives with difficulty. They endure their lives. Masters of Wisdom and Love will notice and help, they will root it out and contribute to freeing them from the cause of all their sufferings.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 They are rather determined there\u2026<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Their will is powerful. It is the very sort of will that helped them reach God and be absorbed into Him. So, when they dedicate such a will to their mission, they can be very efficient, but they will never make it binding. They will never go against what the persons really want. They accept and love the whole of them. And if the persons ask for it, they will accompany them all along their lives and even beyond.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 How to know who is sitting opposite me?<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Through transmission: transmission will make your spirit know who that person is.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 I thought transmission was neutral! <\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 It is, but it will lend force to whatever is in contact with it. It will feed it and make it grow.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 I see. That is the reason why we should use it only on a heart that has been purified first.<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 We clean the whole <\/span><\/span>region of the heart<\/span><\/span><\/a>. Babuji<\/a> used to say that it covers the being from head to toe.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 Transmission is used mainly for revealing God within us, isn\u2019t it?<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 It does it perfectly well. Transmission is food for the soul.<\/span><\/span> After having pondered over that for some time, <\/span><\/span> Theo said: \u2013 In the same way, I\u2019d think that if I want to be a good trainer, I will have to work still harder at meditating and become a real aspiring aspirant, a sincere disciple, in order to do a good training job.<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 That is well considered! The biggest part of your job consists in using the cleaning process to make the aspirant ready to attain a high degree of purification. <\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 So far, I used to see <\/span><\/span>yatra<\/a> <\/em><\/span><\/span>as a progress through the various chakras, particularly the top five chakras of the heart\u2026<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 \u2026 which are in connection with the <\/a><\/span><\/span>five elements<\/span><\/span><\/a>, in the perspective of the liberation and realization of the soul. All is well, so far.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 Except that what you taught me about <\/span><\/span>resonance<\/span><\/span><\/a> gives a very different perspective. Purifying, getting purified to make the best use of transmission, I agree, but that is primarily for the aspirant to have a perfectly pure heart, the one condition to see the Lord reside there permanently.<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Only the force of Love can achieve this. At such a blessed moment, grace will directly pour down into the meditator\u2019s heart and there won\u2019t be any more limits any longer. The Goal, <\/span><\/span>the Centre<\/span><\/span><\/a> will be there.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 In fact, it had always been there, but we didn\u2019t know. <\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013Practice and attendance make us become aware of it. That is the jnana-yoga <\/em>(yoga of knowledge) in the r<\/em>aja-<\/em>y<\/em>oga<\/em> system. <\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 I can better understand now why Daaji<\/a> tells us that our work on points A and B is not a mere purification of the <\/span><\/span>vasanas<\/em><\/span><\/span> (desires), since that purification will also provide access to a super-consciousness as well as to the brighter world (where liberated souls reside).<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 There, the trainer\u2019s Inner Master is the one who must do the work.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 Otherwise, we would achieve a very poor result indeed!<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Yet the trainer contributes to liberating the inner master in the meditator\u2019s heart.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 I realize that Love alone can achieve that.<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 That is why <\/span><\/span>Sahaj Marg (the Natural Way)<\/span><\/span><\/a> is a way through the heart.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 How to trigger off love in the aspirant?<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 That is a mystery.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 Okay, but\u2026<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Just become love yourself; become what you suggest the meditator should become.<\/span><\/span> Theo. (at once amused and serious<\/em>): \u2013 The meditator, poor soul, had better worry about it then!<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 That is the reason why we advocate self-effacement.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 Notably for the trainer, I think…<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 Some time ago, in France, certain trainers thought that the yogic energy that was manifested would make them important. Convinced that it came from the trainers, people would then idealize the trainers. That was a big mistake!<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 As you said the other day, a good trainer is a dead one.<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013He\/She is completely dead to self, for sure, and present to God within him\/her, within the others, as well as everywhere. This is the blessed state of <\/span><\/span>laya-avastha<\/em><\/span><\/span> (dissolution), a state that helps liberate the flow and helps the Master go on freely with his work. Then you are privileged to witness such a wonder. Comparatively, the results the trainer\u2019s self, the ego (<\/span><\/span>ahankara<\/em><\/span><\/span>) may obtain are paltry ones. When you are aware of it, you want only that state. It may even become painful if ever your ego starts kicking in, so that the inner master has to wait patiently until it retreats to make room for the Divine. The state of <\/span><\/span>laya-avastha<\/em><\/span><\/span> (dissolution) is a real birth. The resonance starts in the heart, which contains everything.<\/a> The heart of the heart of the heart is the very essence of God. We just have to let it emerge. We must make room for Him.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 And then, love will do the work masterfully\u2026<\/span><\/span> The Elder \u2013 \u2026 and then, anything can happen.<\/span><\/span> Theo. \u2013 As for us, we just have to thank the Lord.<\/span><\/span> To be continued …<\/a><\/p>\n

Theophile the Elder <\/span><\/span>An excerpt from <\/span>Dialogs with Theophile the Elder <\/em>Theophile the Younger\u2019s Initiation<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Theo. \u2013 What matters most, according to you, to be a good meditator? The Elder \u2013 Zeal, enthusiasm! Theo. \u2013 Is it why you\u2019d rather call a meditator an aspirant, instead of a practiser? The Elder \u2013 Practice, thanks to cleaning and transmission, is extremely effective, but the goal remains to conquer. 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